Creationism vs. Evolution

10 Dec

Do you believe in one or the other exclusively, or do you believe that they are both compatible?

When asked about the subject President George W. Bush said: “I think you can have both. I think evolution can — you’re getting me way out of my lane here. I’m just a simple president. But it’s, I think that God created the earth, created the world; I think the creation of the world is so mysterious it requires something as large as an almighty and I don’t think it’s incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution.”

What do you think? And why do you think it?

12 Responses to “Creationism vs. Evolution”

  1. Eu December 10, 2008 at 1:38 pm #

    I do not believe in Darwinian evolution regarding animal life simply because there is not enough evidence (fossilized remains) of any of the ‘links’ between the pre-historic 2 cm shrew and the modern day African giraffe whose neck evolved 2 metres upwards to get leaves on high branches…

    That being the case there is so much animal diversity that it is not inconceivable that ‘some’ evolution took place despite hard evidence that supports this.

    Regarding humans I do not believe in Darwinism because as a Muslim I believe wholly in the Quran as the word of God which tells of Adam, peace be upon him, the first human being who was ‘not’ a neanderthal, nor was his wife Hawaa’ (Eve), and by association nor were their progeny – our ancestors.

    As a Muslim I believe in the Quran that states that the raison d’etre of the human being is to worship God.
    The Quran mentions in many instances the mind and heart that God has bestowed on the human so that he or she may worship Him.
    It is inconceivable that God would then cause this same human to degenerate into a semi-primate without changing the message and objective of this ‘creation’ to suit the creations’ capabilities…

    Neanderthals and homo-sapiens = different species (not only biologically but also ethically).

    Evolution which is now accepted by many as fact has a dark history.

    Social Darwinism was employed by the Nazis and their colonialists predecessors to entrench, justify and cement the inferiority of certain races (non-caucasians) when compared to caucasians.

    Social darwinism is repugnant and evil.

  2. Mustafa December 12, 2008 at 6:26 am #

    I believe in a God that created evolution… I’m not sure exactly, but that makes the most sense to me

  3. sudaneseoptimist December 13, 2008 at 1:11 pm #

    Neanderthals and homo-sapiens = different species (not only biologically but also ethically).

    Wherever might you have come up with such a conclusion?

  4. Eu December 13, 2008 at 6:59 pm #

    Creationist everywhere regard homo sapiens the modern day man (and woman) as the first created man (and woman) as opposed to the feral, simian, hairy, bent over biped homo habilis (and its predecessors) from whom evolutionists insist we came.

    Does not giving an opinion or answering questions posed come with the anonymity?

  5. sudaneseoptimist December 15, 2008 at 1:28 am #

    Ah– I misunderstood. I thought you meant that both Neanderthals and homo-sapiens are an entirely different species than today’s human beings.

    Believe you me I am itching to respond to this question, your comments in the “Racism in Egyptian Movies” and that disturbing torture video. Just give me three days till I am done with finals🙂

  6. Samantha December 19, 2008 at 1:59 am #

    I’m a very scientific person who likes evidence for matters such as this. While the creation of the universe is still shrouded in mystery, someday that may not be the case. Then I wonder…. what will pure creationists do then? Will they still deny it? I understand that is not a reality at this point, it’s just something I ponder.

    I’m not denying the exsistence of a higher being, just as I’m not denying that the existence of the universe could be purely scientific. We may never know either way. We have our faith… which gets some people through their days. Either way leaves a lot of questions unanswered, which I guess is okay for me. I don’t think either way is right or wrong. I think they are purely healthy ideas that should be debated in a healthy way. It pains me that this subject usually invokes violence. I wish people would just accept others for what they are not not spend so much time being angry over the fact that they can’t change the way others think.

    I believe that the two (creationism and evolution) can go together if a person chooses. Of course there will be people that think otherwise, and that’s okay, I’m just saying… if you want them to go together they will. And if you want them separate they will be. It’s how people preach their views on others that bothers me.

    However, as far as I’m concerned, evolution makes more sense to ME because there is substantially more evidence to support evolution. Again, this is only my opinion. If someday someone can prove to me that a God exists, or find evidence for the stories from the bible or any other religious reading, then it may drastically sway my opinions. But, until that day… I believe that the two can go together… they do for me. I’m just not wholey subscribing to either idea, although I do tend to be more of an evolutionist due to more evidence. I keep my options open and I don’t condone other’s beliefs or views and I encourage others to be open minded as well.

  7. sudaneseoptimist December 19, 2008 at 2:14 am #

    Eu–
    You bring up such an interesting point by noting that animal diversity is, even if subtle, an indication of an evolutionary process of sorts. But you also mentioned that you do not believe in Darwinian evolution because of lack of evidence in terms of fossilized remains. I’m going to play devil’s advocate here and say that drawing a parallel argument against creationism would lead one to reject creationism because there isn’t a living link that proves that what is written in the Quran/Bible/Torah is true. Personally, I do believe in evolution and natural selection, not only because of the strong evidence supporting it, but also because of the lack of evidence in the Quran regarding the issue of whether or not Adam and Hawaa (Eve) were modern day homo sapiens or homo habilis. In that light, I must ask, why is being Muslim and believing in some levels of evolutionary evidence mutually exclusive?

    The issue of ethics and differences was also brought up. Let’s dissect this a little. Adam and Eve, as mentioned in creationism were fundamentally different that modern day us, ethically speaking, so why do we assume that they were physically similar. Also, there is evidence that early day prophets looked and were built completely differently (enter foot size reference here) so how is it possible that they were just larger manifestations of today’s human? Also, ethically speaking, Adam and Eve were ethically different as incest back then was the norm.

    Social Darwinism is more of an anthropological/sociological issue than it is biological so I will not delve into that.

    I am interested however in what evidence in the Quran directly and strongly goes against evolution?

  8. sudaneseoptimist December 19, 2008 at 2:56 am #

    Samantha– I too believe that the two ideas can go hand in hand. We do not know yet know how they can mesh, but we do not have strong evidence to support the contrary either.
    We might know, we might never know those fundemental truths about our world, but for now, all I can say is that I am going to keep both ideas up for debate.

    That being said, I have to clarify that I am “wholly subscribing” to the existance of God (Allah) however, I am waiting for someone to prove to me that believing in Evolution negates the existance of God. In simplistic terms, there are three alternatives:

    1- God does not exist, evolution explains all forms of life.
    2- Evolution is completey false and has no theoretical grounds or evidence. The existence of God is sufficient for explaining all matters of life.
    3- God created every thing, every one, and every process (e.g evolution.)

    For lack of definitive evidence supporting #1 and 2, I am opting for #3.

  9. Eu December 19, 2008 at 7:06 am #

    The issues are a lot more protracted than those three options.

    Evolution must first be defined.

    And also the distinction must be made as to whether evolution includes human beings – homo sapiens, or not.

    It is my belief that human evolution is incompatible with Islamic doctrine based on dialectic Quranic analysis and ethical and moral reasoning.

    Any other type of evolution – human and plant is secondary.

    But even then – where’s the evidence?

    Why has evolution stopped?

    Where are all the ‘in between’ fossils?

    And no one has addressed the issue of social Darwinism.

  10. sudaneseoptimist December 23, 2008 at 2:25 am #

    How do you know evolution stopped?

  11. sudaneseoptimist February 12, 2009 at 11:47 pm #

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7886477.stm?lss

  12. Alaa Eldin September 20, 2010 at 12:30 am #

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